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| Foolish Bankers Surprised: Borrowers Never Intended to Repay Their Loans Posted: 16 Aug 2010 03:29 AM PDT Borrowers no longer view debt as something to be paid off. We have entered the Ponzi era where borrowers inflate asset prices with perpetually serviced debt. Irvine Home Address ... 19 HAZELNUT Irvine, CA 92614
Some people ain't no damn good. You're going to meet some of them in today's post. For those of us who didn't participate in the housing bubble, no good deed goes unpunished. I have been the whippin' boy for kool aid intoxicated fools who can't deal with the inconvenient truths I display on a daily basis. I've had that pleasure for years and years. Second best is all we seem to get by playing by the rules. Irresponsible homedebtors get loan modifications, no-interest loans, and principal forgiveness, and we have to pay for it! And the irresponsible get to walk away from their debts with no repercussions, and many don't think they did anything wrong. They're victims of circumstance so they say. Everyone else did it, so it must be okay. I say screw them. Get the lazy squatters the hell out of our houses! What the lenders lifted up must fall. We are all waiting outside to claim their tumblin' walls. Debts Rise, and Go Unpaid, as Bust Erodes Home Equity By DAVID STREITFELD
There is a pathology at work here that lenders don't recognize: borrowers never intended to pay that money back. Once people accepted that house prices would always go up, they didn't need to worry about increasing their mortgage. As long as house prices go up, if the payments become too much to handle, they could just sell the house and let someone else pay off the debt -- either that, or they could just borrow more money to make the payments. In either case, the borrowers were running a Ponzi Scheme. Every serial refinancer was a mini Bernie Madoff. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and strictly speaking, the borrowers intended to repay. When they sold the house, borrowers accepted the idea that the lender would take a portion of their appreciation to satisfy the debt. Borrowers were okay with sharing the profits, but if prices depreciated and if the borrower might have to come out-of-pocket to pay back the loan, well... that was never part of the deal. Besides, they couldn't pay back such a large sum even if they tried. Banks should have known this. People who borrow money they have no intention to repay or no ability to repay are stealing. Unfortunately, the morality of this isn't quite so black and white. We have had many discussions about the morality of
This is not a paradox. This is the obvious and predictable result of the deflation of the housing bubble. When lenders provide borrowers with money they can't or won't pay back, the more lenders loan, the less likely they are to get paid back. The only apparent contradiction here is that lenders didn't realize that the people they were loaning money to would behave this way. And that merely emphasizes how incredibly stupid lenders are.
To some extent? LOL! If banks give out free money, everyone will want it. This entire fiasco has made sure moral hazard is deeply embedded into the belief systems of every borrower in America. How many people buying real estate in California are doing so because they believe prices have bottomed and that lenders are going to be giving out free-money HELOCs soon? Realistically, it is more than half. Kool aid intoxication has not gone away, it has gotten worse.
It is zombie debt collectors like Mr. Terry that will make life hell for those attempting to walk away from HELOCs. Go get 'em Clark!
Let's stop for a moment and shed a tear for the victims... You know, those HELOC abusers who pulled half a million bucks out of the wall and bought new cars and took fancy vacations while the prudent went to work and paid taxes to eventually bail them out.
They should declare bankruptcy. There is nothing wrong with that. The system was designed to provide a mechanism for those who need to wipe the slate clean and start over. Anyone who defaulted on their loans should declare bankruptcy and be done with it. Hoping the problem will go away on its own will hurt them more in the end.
I guess my real estate education must have been a bit better than his. When I studied real estate economics, the professors always emphasized the prudent use of debt to maintain positive cashflow. Borrowing past the breakeven point is guaranteed to destroy your investment. At some point during the bubble, borrowers unlearned this simple truth about debt, and they sought to maximize their borrowing to acquire as many homes as possible even if the cashflow was negative. At that point, the entire market became a Ponzi Scheme waiting to implode.
Look at this guys attitude. He clearly feels no responsibility whatsoever for the losses, and he really believes he is going to escape with no further damage. If he had any brains at all, he would declare bankruptcy now and start over. If he doesn't, the lender -- or the zombie debt collector who buys his loans -- is going to come take whatever he has. All these people who are walking away from recourse debt will be contacted by debt collectors once they start acquiring assets again.
The second mortgage debt and HELOCs are the root of all our housing woes. The main reason lenders will fail to execute more short sales is due to these seconds and HELOCs. The holders of those worthless loans have the power to hold everyone hostage and try to extort whatever they can out of both buyers and sellers. In the end, the buyer and seller are better off in a foreclosure that wipes out the seconds, HELOCs and back HOA dues. With the huge amount of second mortgage and HELOC debt still on the books of major banks, they are still insolvent. Despite the Federal Reserve stealing from savers and giving the money to banks -- which is the net effect of zero percent interest rates -- it will take many more years before banks have made enough money to fully write down the losses on this part of their portfolios. It also suggests that the Federal Reserve may maintain zero percent interest rates for a very long time. Welcome to Japan.
OMG! I don't believe he said that. The reason we had never seen a national real estate bubble is precisely because we have never had such stupid underwriting practices in place. What did these idiots expect? If you give unlimited money to anyone who asks, you are going to have problems. The ignorance is truly remarkable.
You think? Not that the banks have written down the bad debt. Thanks to amend-extend-pretend, only a sliver has been written off so far.
Isn't it funny that homedebtors have no problem keeping all the profits when prices go up, but when prices go down, it isn't their fault and the bank should absorb that loss. If the guy wanted an equity partner to take that risk, he should have sought one out. What he did was take out a loan, and lenders do not assume downside risk -- well, at least they aren't supposed to. I sincerely hope lenders are learning the lessons of this bubble collapse. Lenders and borrowers do not view the world the same way. Borrowers expect all the downside benefits of equity participation and all the upside benefits of debt in fixed amounts. This is the new world order.
Earlier this year, I wrote that by the end of 2010 the idea of a moral obligation to repay mortgage debt will carry no weight. It is September, and we are already there.
The only positive lenders have obtained by allowing widespread squatting is that they have convinced a few people prices might come back soon. This false and misguided hope is stopping them from lapsing into the malaise demonstrated by Mr. Bolton in the comment above. As prices roll over again in the inevitable double dip, more and more borrowers are going to embrace Mr. Boltons attitude and realize that continuing to pay an oversized mortgage on an underwater property is tossing their money into a hole.
Borrowers who took out enormous loans during the housing bubble never intended to repay these loans from their wage income, they always intended to pass this debt to some else. Somewhere along the way this subtle paradigm shift took place. It seems very reasonable that one could merely service debt for a while and resell the property to someone else and pay off the debt then. Like any Ponzi Scheme, it works until there is no greater fool to come along and assume the debt. Then the entire system comes crashing down and a spiral of debt deflation we are witnessing today. The worst part is that this thinking is still alive and well today. The reason this problem won't simply go away is because incomes do not support the debt created. Even at 4.5% interest rates, as a society we cannot support the debt lenders made. Deflation will continue until prices are back in line with incomes. In markets like Las Vegas, we are already well below the price point needed, but in Orange County, our prices have not fallen enough to be supported by the local population. More pain lies ahead.
They shook down the wallsDid any of you have a piggy bank growing up. I had one that didn't have a hole to empty it. In theory, you were supposed to fill it, then break it with a hammer. It was a secure as home equity used to be before HELOCs. Of course, being an enterprising child, I knew that if I shook the piggy bank, I could get coins to fall out of the little slot. It took more effort, but you could raid the piggy bank, and with a little patience, you could get every last coin out of it. Homeowners during the housing bubble were no different. A home was like a piggy bank that was difficult to make a withdrawal from, but with HELOCs prying open every home safe, lenders were helping homeowners shake down their own houses. Some homeowners, like the ones I am featuring today, shook their house often and made sure every available penny was stripped from the walls.
Foreclosure Record Foreclosure Record When you see HELOC abuse this bad, it is almost incomprehensible how a middle-class family could have pissed away nearly half a million dollars. If we weren't so numb to the large numbers, we would be outraged by $46,175 worth of HELOC abuse. When the number ballons to $461,754, its like trying to imagine infinity; the mind just can't grasp it. The flipper bought this property at auction for $571,800. They will make a nice margin assuming it sells for near its asking price. If you would like to learn how you can get involved with trustee sales, please contact me at sales@idealhomebrokers.com. Irvine Home Address ... 19 HAZELNUT Irvine, CA 92614 Resale Home Price ... $695,500 A must see! No need to preview! Please explain to me how that works. Is this a must see, or is there no need to see it? |
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